Josh Kopel | Award Winning Restaurant Consultant

Grow Deep, Not Wide: Mark Rampolla’s Five-Year Rule for Building Brands That Last

What if your next move isn’t another location—it’s owning a moment in your guest’s life?

Mark Rampolla built ZICO into a category and now backs founders with a $600M fund; his playbook is built for operators under pressure. We talk about the five-year reality of product-market fit, why velocity per store beats “more units,” and how owning a specific occasion (post-workout, post-shift, post-party) unlocks scale.

Mark breaks down risk discipline—grow deep before wide—and what acquirers actually buy: a future customer and a missing occasion, not just a product.

If you’re tempted to expand because it feels like progress, this episode shows a sharper path: focus, proof, and traction that travels.

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Office Hours: Merchandise Minutes, Not Meals

I’m Josh Kopel, a Michelin-awarded restaurateur and the creator of the Restaurant Scaling System. I’ve spent decades in the industry, building, scaling, and coaching restaurants to become more profitable and sustainable. On this show, I cut through the noise to give you real, actionable strategies that help independent restaurant owners run smarter, more successful businesses.

In this episode, I dive into strategies for boosting restaurant profitability without raising prices. I explain why it’s so important to see restaurants as providers of time slots rather than just food and beverage, and how that shift impacts service. I share why the first 20 minutes of the guest experience matter most, plus the tactics I use to improve pacing, satisfaction, and table turns.

Takeaways:

  • Most restaurant marketing fails because it’s built on guesswork.
  • Awareness doesn’t pay the rent, behavior does.
  • If it doesn’t move a booking, a purchase or return visit, then it’s just noise.
  • We want to align with behavior, not alter it.
  • Triggers turn offers into rituals.
  • The fastest money you can make is in the list you already own.
  • Stop chasing strangers while your regulars gather dust.
  • Create experiences that use desire that already exists.
  • If it wouldn’t move you, it probably won’t move them.
  • Your marketing must move the needle in your business.

Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Restaurant Success

01:21 Reframing Restaurant Profitability

02:51 Understanding Time as Inventory

05:45 Optimizing Service for Profitability

If you’ve got a marketing or profitability related question for me, email me directly at josh@joshkopel.com and include Office Hours in the subject line. If you’d like to scale the profitability of your restaurant in only 5 days, sign up for our FREE 5 Day Restaurant Profitability Challenge by visiting https://joshkopel.com.

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